UPDATE JULY 19th:
I received some hopefully great news from one of the petition signers (and hiker) about two weeks ago, but since I’ve been in China (where WordPress is blocked!) for the last three weeks, there was no way to share it. Here it is (thanks T!):
…according to [his contact], the planned differential pricing has been reviewed and OVERTURNED.
The fees will be revised to remove the two-tier pricing policy.
No change on the Yushan N. P. website yet, but hopefully that’s simply because things take a bit of time to filter through. Fingers crossed….
Apologies for not writing earlier, but I’ve been too busy to think of writing any blog entries for the last few weeks. Anyway here’s the latest on Yushan.
Five or six days after the petition was started, I wrote to Yushan National Park, enclosing the link to the petition, which by then had obtained just under 300 signatures and some very nice comments.
A week or so later they wrote back saying:
Dear Richard Saunders,
Your mail sent on May/26/2012, titled “Request to reconsider the dual-pricing system at Paiyun Lodge” has been received and processed by our Park Entry Service Unit and the response is as follows:
Thanks for your suggestions. The standard of Paiyun Lodge fee charged after reconstruction is based on the user pays principle, the 8th and 10th article of “Charge and Fees Act” and has been issued to lunch after processing the administrative procedure. It’s often seen that charging standard varied with users; take the student price and senior price for example. Also, there are indeed some scenic spots and national parks using different standard of fee according to nationality or citizenship. This kind of pricing system has existed for long.
We appreciate your kind feedbacks. Our headquarters will soon recalculate the cost and reconsider the pros and cons of current charging standard based on the factors such as the impression of (traveling in) Taiwan. The evaluation will be the basis of our future policy.
If you have any further questions, please feel free to let us know. http://mountain.ysnp.gov.tw/english/Email_Index.aspx
Yushan National Park Headquarters
So there’s still hope, despite their strange insistence that duel pricing like this goes on elsewhere in Taiwan – neither I nor anyone else I’ve spoken to has ever come across this. We’ll see. Perhaps the best thing to come out of the petition though is that three different people who read the petition or heard about it have contacts in the Department of Culture, who apparently oversee the National Park system, and said they’d have a chat. This is Taiwan, after all, and the best chance of overturning the policy is to get inside guanxi.
Thanks to everyone who signed the petition. We didn’t get the huge support I was hoping for, but I much appreciate those who joined in and put their name down, and those who left comments. I’ve left the petition up, but sign ups slowed to a trickle several weeks ago, so I’ll close it today, since leaving it up any longer might do more harm than good.
AND FINALLY, while doing some research on my Islands book (which will be out in the autumn) the other day, I stumbled upon another head-scratcher of a policy already in place in another national park, Kinmen. The famous (you may well have come across it if you’ve read up about Kinmen) and impressively big underground Qingtian Hall is open to the public, but ONLY to Taiwanese nationals. I phoned the Kinmen Government department that handles visits, and they explicitly said that foreign nationals are not allowed to go… Do they think we’re spies? Go figure.
June 23, 2012
I don’t normally do this kind of thing, but the decision by Yushan National Park (the protectors of Jade Mountain, the highest summit on Northeast Asia) here in Taiwan to slap a seemingly arbitrary and unfair surcharge on foreign visiting hikers sleeping at the main hut on the mountain really made me angry.
I’ve created a petition and am looking for a thousand signatures; please consider signing it. YOU DON’T need to be in Taiwan to sign – this proposal mostly affects tourists who may come to Taiwan to visit in the future:
While we are grateful that ARC-holding foreign residents are exempt from paying the higher rate, we feel that charging foreign visitors over three times the rate applicable to local and foreign resident climbers is both unfair and liable to create negative publicity for both Yushan National Park and the Taiwanese tourism industry in general. This policy could also set a worrying precedent, possibly encouraging other key tourist attractions in Taiwan to start their own dual-pricing system.
Double-pricing, a highly annoying practice for many tourists, is common in many third-world and developing countries, such as India, China and several nations in Latin America, where local residents earn a much lower salary than the average foreign tourist. Such practice is highly unusual in developed countries such as Taiwan however, and implementation of a double-pricing system at Paiyun Lodge (which as far as we’re aware will be a first in Taiwan) will surely encourage unfavorable comparison with similar pricing systems at third-world tourist destinations. We’re also concerned about the National Park’s declared reasons for establishing this double-pricing system. According to an email from the National Park in reply to an enquiry about the plan from Steven Crook (author of the popularBradt Travel Guideto Taiwan), recorded on Mr Crook’s blog (
“Thank you for your email concerning the pricing policy of Paiyun Lodge in Yushan National Park. From the standpoint of international promotion, we think that it is not proper to charge foreigners differently from local citizens for the use of tourist facilities. As we mentioned before, national parks are outside the jurisdiction of the Tourism Bureau; we will, however, make strong suggestions about this matter to the Ministry of the Interior’s Construction and Planning Agency, which is the agency in charge of the parks.”
We feel strongly that the negative effects of the new pricing plan at Paiyun Lodge will far outweigh the extra capital to be gained by charging foreign visitors more, and ask you to seriously reconsider the merits of this planned dual-pricing system.
Anyway here are a few pics from my last ascent of the mountain four years ago: it’s a beautiful place and a pretty simple climb (it’s a lot easier than it looks!).
unfortunately, this is too complicated for government officials to bother to read. if you want to change how the Taiwanese government does something, you have to publicly embarrass them on facebook with a simple meme.
Of course it is, and the petitionisn’t intended for them to read; anyway certain people more cynical than I would assume even if they did read it they’d quietly ignore it. The whole point of the petition is to get enough signatures so that we can make the protest into a newsworthy story in Taiwan, and the only way to get that is if EVERYONE chips in and gets friends to sign. If this petition goes into the thousands then the media will probably be interested and THEN the National Park will listen. It’s that simple. Ive done my part; if people want to see some change they’ll have to start doing something as well and collect some signatures!
I fully support your petition and I hope you’ll find a way for it to get in the media soon! (Taiwanese media is extremely notorious for blowing up nothing and a lot of time full of rubbish in my opinion.) I’m a Taiwanese but live in New Zealand with a Kiwi husband and I wish to take him to Yushan one day. You’ve two votes from us!
Thanks for the support!
I find this blog immensely interesting. I was born in the US but was raised in Taiwan, and I’ve never heard any of the places you folks visit – especially the caves, whicn I have recently adopted a keen interest in.
Say, if I wanted to start exploring without any relative experience, how do I get started?
Thanks for the encouragement – glad you like the blog! Taiwan isn’t great caving country, and most of its accessible ‘caves’ are very shallow so you won’t find anything really to explore; the walk there is the real reward of the trip. Guanxi Bat Cave is the only one I know of (since it lies on a rare patch of limestone) that is quite deep, yet practical to explore (unless they’ve taken the rope ladders out since I was there) – it should easy enough to find from the directions I’ve given, as it’s pretty well-known. The other deeper cave I know of, the Qufu Immortals Cave on Mount Guanyin near Taipei is also easy to find once you’ve got the directions (in the earlier blog entry) but you’ll need your own ropes here – no idea how deep or dangerous it is – the bloke we talked to said he ran out of rope when he tried to explore it! The cave mouth is kept locked, although on our visit it was easy to ‘fiddle’ the lock and get in…. the entrance to the main system is up on the left.
Take care if you go!